Japan's culture clash with Christianity

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Honestly, most of the Christians who replied to this video went off on barely relevant tangents. Here is a prime example: @LMPGp 10 days ago (Μat. 6:24) “No one can be a slave of two masters, since either he will hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other..."


@LMPGp10 days ago
(Μat. 6:24) “No one can be a slave of two masters, since either he will hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other..." (Μat. 6:24) “No one can be a slave of two masters, since either he will hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other..."




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This video clip has nothing to do with that.
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 @ApPersonaNonGrata  friend, it actually does because she was talking about people being secretive and afraid of professing Jesus because of what others may think and do. But Jesus tells us to be exclusive towards Him. I think the point of this comment is essentially that they need to choose this day who they will serve. Nevermind about what others think. They're blind leaders of the blind if they don't believe on Jesus. Let no one who is wise deny Jesus to please others. Jesus is Lord.
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 @LETSGETUTILIZED316  I thought it was because those people still felt spiritually attached to their ancestors and wanted to honor them but it goes against Christianity to do so. So even if they do have an interest in Jesus, they feel they have to let go of what's important to them to do so
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Isn't that a supremacist attitude? My way or highway.
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 @LETSGETUTILIZED316  Again, nothing she said has anything to do with having two masters. She mentioned Buddhism. In this context, some people who are merely "interested in" learning more about Bibles, or about Christianity, ... are asking themselves if they should intentionally go down a path of exploration about a religion that requires all members to disrespect and denounce the culture, beliefs, and identity of their loved ones; along with everyone else who merely thinks, feels, or identifies differently than Christians. If someone knows in advance that a religion will require disrespecting (even to the point of demonizing and devaluing) cherished loved ones, ... It's perfectly reasonable for the non-Christian to wonder if they should intentionally give Christian fundamentalists long-term access to their own brains. Those non-Christians know the Christians will be trying to separate and weaponize the non-Christian against their own loved ones ... as part of what it means to "become a Christian". Honoring living and deceased loved ones ... is not the same as allowing those loved ones to be our "master".
To bring further clarity: She was NOT talking about people being secretive and afraid of professing Jesus because of what others may think and do. She was talking primarily about people who are *not * Christians. She was talking primarily about a common set of concerns non-Christians have about the *conflicts of ethics* AND the betrayal of their own heart, and a betrayal against the people they love. Those are the issues people discover while in the early stages of merely hearing about Christianity. She was talking about social, emotional, and spiritual connections people have with loved ones and with culture. She was talking about the COSTS of ending up as a Christian. Those costs are being counted (mostly) by people who are not Christians. These are the reasons given (in the video clip) for why many people in that society are resistant to the idea of even seriously considering Christianity. For THOSE people, ... It has nothing to do with obedience. For THOSE people, ... It has nothing to do with authority. For YOU, it has everything to do with surrendering to authority. Why? Because you're looking at it all from a religious-conservative, authoritarian lens. You're also assuming that your religious identity is the only cosmically valuable and valid identity. Those people aren't making the assumptions you are. Those people aren't wrestling with issues of obedience or authority. Your religious culture mentally trained you to incorrectly perceive that anyone who resists your mind-colonizing and society-colonizing religion is "resisting the authority of (your) God". But that's not happening in the real heads or hearts of those non-Christians. They aren't "resisting God". They aren't "questioning God". They aren't "doubting God's wisdom". They aren't "rejecting God". They aren't making anyone or anything else more important than "God". They are merely noticing that Christian fundamentalist religiosity plans to require every convert to radically disrespect every new convert's cherished human connections. They are wondering if such a destructive religiosity could even be worth spending more time, energy, and attention on. If you already know a gang plans to hurt you, your family, and others at the far end of an alleyway, ... should you really still go down that alleyway merely on the "curiosity" that "just maybe" that cost of membership could be worth it? What kind of person even toys with the idea that such a thing could be worth it? What kind of a person so casually offers the personal connections and well-being of their (non-consenting) loved ones as a sacrifice to a "God" whose henchmen say (without evidence) requires it? What kind of a "God" would require such sacrifice and harm? What kind of a "God" couldn't be bothered to say so himself? Answer: A "God" that predatory men created in their own image.
Re: "But Jesus tells us" -- I'll finish that sentence correctly, since you don't know how to: "Jesus tells us ... nothing at all". Nobody is hearing a real "Jesus" say anything. People in Jesus-themed groups are merely hearing * their own subjective interpretations and intuitions, about: *poorly preserved, *mutually disagreeing, *reality-conflicting, *extremely abusive, *ancient rumors, *written down generations later * by non-eyewitnesses and later * translated entirely by random fallible men, *into hundreds of competing versions of Bibles, and then *subjectively interpreted by tens of thousands of competing sects. -- Meanwhile, ... Rumors are not facts. Legends are not history. Religious claims are not a form of evidence. Logical reasoning is not a tool of the devil. Authority is just a game people play as a means to gain benefits. Might does not make right. Coercion is not consent. Threats don't cease to be threats by calling them "friendly warnings". The Universe is many billions of years old. The entirety of the Hebrew "Bible" is a false history of: * the cosmos, * geology, * the ecosystem, * humans, * human religions, * monotheism, * and even their own religion. Nobody can build a "totally true" belief system when building upon false older religion. And none of us should feel like we owe a tremendous moral debt to any god for the flaws that your religion claims he chose to curse us with in the first place. Thus, there is no such debt anyone needs to pay. Nor is there any lasting "sacrifice" in the story of a "God" who pretended to die for a weekend.
Re: "(all humans should be, and are commanded to be) exclusive towards Jesus". --- Not even your own religion believes this. It is honestly strange how often I have to stop and remind Christians about what their own beliefs are. But per every Christian Bible, if someone only has a relationship with "the Son", then they do not have one with the Father. And if they do not have one with the Father, then they do not have one with the Son. And if they only have a relationship with those two guys, then they can't have a relationship with humans. And if they do not have a relationship with humans, then they do not have a relationship with "God". Why not? Because if you remove humanity from the relationship humans have with that god, then there is no relationship. ----------- Re: "(Everyone) needs to choose this day who they will serve. " --- If you are not serving your human brothers and sisters, then you cannot be serving a father. "Service" isn't about authority, power, or groveling. It's not part of a dominance hierarchy. It's not about leverage or division. Service is about respectful and equitable inclusion, for the health and harmony of all "as one". ----------------------- Re: "Nevermind about what others think." -- You are an "other". You want everyone hearing you to concern themselves with what you think. Can you really not hear the contradiction in what you are saying? In any case, you are still misunderstanding the people she's talking about in the video. -------------------------- Re: "They're" --- Who is "they"? ------------------------ Re: "(anyone who disagrees with my religion is a) blind leader of the blind" -- So sayeth you. -------------------------- Re: "Let" --- Permission? Who are you to "let" or "not let" anyone think whatever they think? ------------------------------ Re: "Let no one who is wise deny Jesus to please others." --- That's not what the video clip is about. -------------------------------- Re: "Jesus is Lord. -- That's just an ancient slogan used by a tiny group of people in a Judaic mystery cult. They were responding in defiance and competition against Rome's leader and the people who revered that leader. Some Romans kept saying "Caesar is king" and "Caesar is the authority we recognize" (in other words, "lord" over them). So in reply, some Jesus-cultists would say, "Your master is invalid. Only ours is legit". Personally, I think both camps are cringe. I see the same thing today. So many people think like lapdogs ... bragging about who they fetch balls for. Yes. Yes. You are a good boy. But imagine if ancient wolves could see the lineage branch of their descendants who were so utterly domesticated. They would weep over every tail wagged and ball fetched. You think imagining a badass Daddy makes you badass. But it doesn't. A master's power is not yours. It just makes you a lapdog for a master that other men invented ... as a way for those men to control you for their own benefit. -Which, in turn, you *also* use as a way to control others for your own benefit.

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