Humans are all driven by their feelings

Responding to this: "Feelings" is a modern day concept, I feel therefore I am, does not have good grounding.

This is mostly brought on by corrupt politicians. "Vote how you feel", don't think of my corruption, or lack of platform. "Do not Steal" is not based on feelings. "An eye for an eye" - the punishment must not be greater than the offence, is not feelings. Wisdom is not based on feelings, but commonsense and logic. - @DaeXeaD 

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  re: "Feelings" is a modern day concept, " -- So it was modern-day people that invented the slogan "God is love"? It was modern-day people who wrote all the bible-books that describe a litany of feelings that "God" experienced and then acted upon? It was modern-day people who wrote all the bible-books that describe all the feelings the writers and character were experiencing, every time something went either wonderfully great or horribly wrong? Which modern-day jerk invented feelings? What year did that happen? How were they able to turn their newly invented concept of feelings into a contagious feelings-virus? And is there a cure, other than death? Have you been cured of having feelings?

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re: "I feel therefore I am, does not have good grounding." --- The "grounding" of personal identity ... is not a topic we've been on. But if you're really sure you want to talk about that now, we can start a conversation about it. It's literally my favorite topic. Just be sure, first, that you really want to go down that rabbit hole; because it does not lead to Christianity.

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re: "This is mostly brought on by corrupt politicians. "Vote how you feel", don't think of my corruption, or lack of platform." --- So ... ancient politicians never tried to manipulate perceptions via manipulating emotions? Because feelings didn't exist yet? Meanwhile, as a Christian, surely you've noticed how heavily Bibles and churches attempt to exploit people's emotions.

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re: "Do not Steal" is not based on feelings. -- It is. People feel all kinds of ways about securing: * space to build, * space to live, * space to secure safety and privacy, * items to enhance personal function and pleasure, * making and maintaining beneficial social connections to facilitate durable wellbeing. They/we feel opposite-ways about anyone (or anything): a.) preventing those acquisitions, and b.) taking those things away from them. Humans have an entirely "carrot and stick" -driven psychology. This point has been made in countless books and movies. My favorite examples include: 1. When "Quark" explained to the "wormhole aliens" (Deep Space 9) why "greed is good".

2. When the crew of Serenity (Firefly) discovered that the reason everyone in a planet-colony died was: a chemical was added to the air system that made people stop caring (no feelings) about anything. The goal was to make people less aggressive (more "chill"), so they'd behave better to each other (less conflict; and easier to resolve any conflicts). But it worked "too well". People stopped having feelings about hunger-pains. So they stopped eating. People stopped having feelings about thirst-related suffering. So they stopped drinking. People stopped fearing the consequence of not showing up for work, so they just all laid down and did nothing ... until they were all dead.

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re: "An eye for an eye" - the punishment must not be greater than the offence, is not feelings." --- It really is. It's feelings ... compelling rational-ish lifeforms (humans) ... to seek ways to satisfy those feelings.

It's also important to note: "an eye for an eye" is not true justice; nor is it wise. But those people thought it was wise. And why? Because a.) they were trying to satisfy extreme emotional concerns. And because b.) so many of them were clinical Narcissists; whom are limited to understanding values as a transaction. That's why the moral-ideal of "scapegoating" held so much appeal to men in powerful positions within religious factions. That's why the Hebrews murdered innocent animals, as sacrifical payments/apologies/atonements for whenever their deities were angry. That's why Christian texts speak of "purchasing" us. It's also why they treat our failings (real failings, and imagined failings) as something their deity's forgiveness needs to be paid for. Narcisists and sociopaths tend to ~climb to the top~ of social, religious, and political power-structures. From there, they use their empowered influence to shape the way their support-base thinks about social and moral issues. Because of their Major Personality Disorders, they had "transactional values". Because they had transactional values, everything, to them, was a matter of transaction. So that's how they "reasoned" about morality. Worse yet, they were "reasoning" without the benefit of scientific literally concerning why people do the things they do. They were equally ignorant concerning how to create a safe society. These were very understandable mistakes; for such an under-developed people. However, it was a desire (feelings) to keep GROWING ... which led (slowly) to the levels of maturity it took to move past "eye for an eye"; -although, many humans are still lagging behind in that growth.

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re: "Wisdom is not based on feelings, but commonsense and logic." --- 1. There is nothing common about good sense. 2. Logic is a tool. We use it (to the best of our individual ability) to satisfy our feelings.