Rebuking A Brother's Bad Behaviors
Responding to this:
As a completely non-religious person, I don't have a god in this race.
You're theorizing and assuming his guilt in some rumored but vague scandal from many years ago. You're spreading that as character-assassinating gossip on the internet. That's low. It's so low that I'm surprised it's legal to defame someone in such a way (in whatever country you're in).
Even if we assume, for the sake of argument, that he got away with something sinister ...
That would be between him, his "God", and his accusers.
Meanwhile. we don't even really know that Tovia even HAS any such accusers.
If someone is currently standing by some aging accusation, only THEY could give personal testimony.
You and I wouldn't be qualified to speak on their behalf. But I couldn't help but notice you don't name or link to any such person making any such claim. We don't have the right to hold a public trial, in-absentia, without any evidence, and then declare him guilty.
You can't ethically pretend to know and then use that as a way to (attempt to) ruin his rep. The entire rest of this video was just as desperate. There is nothing in OT "history" that reports Jews rejecting or hunting down Moses or followers of Moses. Moses is myth.
This is common knowledge among qualified scholars. Although, it's possible those legends were loosely based on an actual cult-leader psychopath. If someone similar to Moses ever existed, I sure hope someone had enough sense to do whatever it took (nothing less; nothing more) to put an end to his reign of terror. But nothing in the OT "history" reports any such thing. There are also zero (none; not any) records from anyone in the first century who had firsthand knowledge about Jesus. Saul/Pal never met the guy. The gospel writers were not eye witnesses. We also don't have any 1st-century copies of those stories; not even a tiny fragment. In fact, the oldest complete copies of the so-called "gospels" didn't show up until a few centuries later. No Jews from other sects (not even the Sanhedrin) wrote down anything about seeing or hearing about any miracles. But you are boldface lying to your listeners about it. The larger whole of the Jewish community/ies from the 1st century never even heard about that Jesus. And I DO know that because if such legends were considered credible (by those people) enough to spread that far, ... someone would have left a record of having at least heard about it. Apparently, the legends of Super-Jesus either a.) weren't being told by anyone (at all) when Jesus was alive, or b.) weren't considered credible enough to be worth repeating and spreading to the other sects. People can't "reject" a person they never even hear about. Nor is anyone rejecting a specific person that only (at most) hear some non-credible rumors about. That's not what the word "rejecting" means. And this is exactly the point being made by Darkmatter2525 in his video "The Real God; An Epiphany".
Meanwhile, Tovia is correct that the Jewish messiah wasn't supposed to die for anyone's sins. He was supposed to lead the Jews to military conquest, to establish a Jewish theocratic State. Also, "prone to loathe" describes literally all humans. And this is both a good and bad trait. In fact, it's ridiculously hypocritical for anyone in any of the Abrahamic religions to point to a rival religious faction and say "omg. You guys are so prone to loathe!". All of you include "loathing" as essential to your religious and cultural narratives. In fact, in this very video, you are loathing rival people and rival concepts. But that's only bad when rivals do it? Next, miraculous events don't prove "divinity". -Not that you bothered to define divinity. And not that your preferred definitions for divinity need to be anyone else's. Super advanced aliens are always a more probable explanation than any religion's perfect super-heroes. What's even more likely than that? People exaggerating, lying, being conned by magicians, hallucinating, etc.. But let's ignore all of that, and rush to saying "it had to be God-magic!". And why? Because that premise is the one that helps your faction seek sociopolitical power, keeps your ego fed, and helps you get paid. Next "all would believe in him"? No. That's now how beliefs form. In that wild hypothetical, many more would would believe in the basic concept of Super-Jesus if the Sanhedrin had endorsed such a figure as the messiah. But that's actually damning if you think about it. Because it means people were prone to letting human religious authority figures do their thinking for them. It's not a good thing. It's a tragic flaw in human psychology. A desire to exploit that vulnerability isn't the flex you think it is.
Regardless, it still would not have caused "all" to believe in such a thing. It would have only divided the Jewish people into more polarized rival factions. Next, Rome would have taken away their kingdom? What kingdom? They didn't have one. That's the whole point of the Jews wanting desperately for a messiah to show up. They did not HAVE their own kingdom. They badly wanted one. A messiah was supposed to help them get one. Meanwhile, Rome didn't give a flying fuck what the Jews believed, just so long as they weren't planning a coup. Most of the crap you say next is just arguing about the correct interpretation of some ancient religious writings. It's being used as a deep-in-the-weeds distraction from what's really happening here. So I'm just going to skip past that part. Next time index 03:47. This is really really bad reasoning. There's no record of it ever happening, so it must have already happened? Come on, now. Just be honest. That ancient writer's attempt at "prophecy" failed. Let's move on. Next, I actually do agree that the Hebrew texts were only about the Jewish people; not the larger world. But let's reflect on how ironic this is, since your religion needs to interpret it as being a promise for the whole world. Here you are, pointing out that it's not a promise for all of humanity, but only for the Jews. It's always fun to see a Christian knocking down one of the pillars of their own religious grift. Meanwhile, Tovia's reasons for saying we know that Jesus wasn't the messiah ... go far beyond that small block of text. And he's correct. Jesus was not the promised messiah. This is a fact. And the whole body of evidence for this is much larger than you seem to realize. Although, tbf, it was just desperate wishful thinking for those ancient religious people to "prophesy" for such a hero. More importantly, they'd have been better off without it. The mind-state of waiting for rescue ... keeps people from rescuing themselves. A "God" isn't coming (not even by proxy) "any day now" to rescue you from others; nor from yourselves. It's time for all of you to grow up and take responsibility. Meanwhile, I really don't know if there is (or isn't) a Super-Fatherly entity living in a golden city in some other realm. But I know what it means to be a good father. So if there is a good Father, he wouldn't want you reasoning and behaving in the ways that you do. Tovia is a brother. He's a fellow human. In all our dealings, we should treat everyone as if they were our loved ones. However we would behave towards our most beloved family member in any specific situation is how we should behave towards an enemy in that same situation. So imagine the person you love most. Imagine them living every choice (of word and deed) in the world ... exactly as Tovia has. If you are being honest with yourself, you'll realize your narrative about them and how you speak of them publicly would be different. You wouldn't be so quick to believe such rumors, nor to further build and spread such rumors. You wouldn't be going after a loved one like this. A "God" sure wouldn't want you doing that in his name. If you're so determined to think with your emotions, at least try thinking with healthier emotions.
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