Responding to "AgapeAhavah"; Yet Another Grossly Entitled Christian Fundamentalist Narcissist

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@AgapeAhavah

1 hour ago

Imagine you see a beautiful painting hanging on the wall. The painting has bright colors, a beautiful sunset, trees, and animals. Would you think the painting made itself? Of course not! Someone had to carefully create it. ------ True. But why is that true? Firstly, because the chemicals we call "paint" lack the necessary properties to experience the specific "Chemical Evolution" necessary for abiogenesis. They also lack the necessary environment for abiogenesis. Without abiogenesis, there are no biological organisms. Without biological organisms, there is nothing capable of evolving into trees and animals. Nor could such a process happen while limited to the space of a literal canvas. Also, the sky is not a canvas. The Sun, clouds, and light-refraction we call "sunsets" did not and could not form on a flat solid plane. In any case, all of those natural phenomenon developed naturally. They did not develop "supernaturally". Your dumb religion claims that a Magic Man did a BIG MAGIC!. That's your dumb religion's explanation. A Cosmic Wizard said some magic words and then POOF! ... There was our universe. However, I'm just going to grant it, even though it's ridiculous.

Why? Because you're using it as a distraction away from the real debate. Literally EVERY SINGLE ARGUMENT which appeals to "intelligent design", nature, time, space, energy, beauty, emotions, logic, etc.. are only potentially useful for arguing that there was some "creator(s)". That's all. And even THAT's overly generous on my part, because literally ALL of those arguments are dishonest and fallacious. They assume facts which aren't facts. They appeal to faulty reasoning. But just as importantly, ... They don't really necessitate a deity. Because some non-god-entities could be those "prime movers" and "creator(s)". However, I'll grant the "God" hypothesis anyways. Why? Because that TOO is something you're using as a distraction away from the real issue. So we may as well move past it. How so? Because: If you recall, the only two things I ever asked you to prove is: 1. That Christian fundamentalist theology is true. and 2. That literally all adult-age humans in our world KNOW it's true; including a.) everyone who has heard about it (from other humans) and b.) everyone who has NOT heard about it (from other humans). -- I didn't ask you to provide evidence that this universe must have been willfully or intelligently created. I didn't ask you to provide evidence that any-such-creator must be regarded as a deity. I didn't ask you to provide evidence that any-such deity must be called "God". All of those are distractions fundamentalists use to avoid admitting they don't actually have any good evidence or arguments for their Christianity-fundamentalist-specific theological narrative. All you're doing, there, is trying to convince me that DEISTS are correct. It's not what I asked you about.

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@AgapeAhavah

In the same way, the world we see—trees, animals, stars, and even you—shows signs of a Creator. ------------- James: Still not what I asked you about. ------------

@AgapeAhavah

That Creator is (my specific) God. ------------- I know for fact that's not true. But I'm still waiting for you to make your best case. So far, you haven't even tried. All you've done is: try to distract me away from my questions, to argue for things I never asked you about. ----------------

@AgapeAhavahThe Bible says: "For every house is built by someone, but (my cult's) God is the builder of everything." (Hebrews 3:4) ----------------- That's just some random anonymous cultist in the iron age ... claiming his specific cult's deity made our world. --------------- @AgapeAhavah (my) God is the Artist of the universe. He made everything, including you, ---------------- That too is just a religious claim. ----------------- @AgapeAhavah because He wanted you to exist. He loves what He made, and that includes you. ---------------- That, my dear, is called "love-bombing" and "narcissist posturing". Surely, you can't really think I'm dumb enough, nor ego-vulnerable enough ... for that to have any effect. So you must only be doing that for your own gratification; to remind yourself that your NARRATIVE is that you're a beacon of love in a dark world. It would be like someone who thinks they are Superman .. saying something like "just as soon as I can recharge in the light of your planet's yellow sun, I shall take to the skies and show how great I am! Embrace me! And we shall fly together!". I'm not interested in your religious cosplay. Nor am I ignorant enough to think you have the slightest clue of what love is. So how about you try to answer the questions I asked, instead of how you keep trying to distract me with religious peacocking?

----------- @AgapeAhavah Imagine you have a favorite toy. You play with it all the time, but one day, it breaks. You feel sad because you can’t fix it on your own. You take it to the person who made the toy, the toymaker, because they know how to repair it. Now think of the world. God made it perfect, but something broke—it’s called sin. -- You're still off-topic. Also, why do you insist on explaining a "gospel" that you previously claimed everyone in the world already knows? Also, you're lying about what your dumb book says. If you had enough reading comprehension skills, and enough honesty (about what you're reading), you'd see that the Genesis story is about some deity who made Adam, Eve, and a SNAKE ... FLAWED. He made Adam and Eve to have a DESIRE to OBTAIN something. And then he made a tree which offered the thing they desired to obtain. I'm being vague about WHAT they desired because we have no need to identify the "WHAT" for the point I'm making. In the context of that story, ... If that deity REALLY didn't want them to SEEK something specific, that deity would have "designed" them to NOT WANT (whatever that "something" is). And if he did not want them to OBTAIN that "something", then he would not have made it OBTAINABLE. And if he did not even want them TEMPTED into a specific course of ACTION in an attempt to obtain the "something", then: he would not have hung that "something" from a TREE, contained within a tempting piece of FRUIT, and then put that TREE right in the middle of their garden home, and then PRETENDED not to be watching when he went back to hide and watch. Bottom line: He used that snake and a poisoned tree ... to set them up to fail. Why? So he could play the victim. Why? Because that's what Narcissists do. It's how Narcissists manipulate people into feeling sorry them, and then manipulate people into "trying to make it up to them". It's a form of emotional blackmail. Whoever STOLE that story from other/older/different religious cultures and then changed it to suit their rhetorical goals ... was (in real life) a BAD PARENT. They were writing a story about a "God" who thought, felt, and behaved like that writer; as a way to legitimize how monstrous they'd been to their real-life children. They must have also been a leader in their own religious cult. Because they also wrote it as a tool for manipulatively controlling a religious group. Just as importantly, per that very same story, YOU didn't "fall". Neither did I. Neither did ANYONE who was born. "We" didn't fall. "We" didn't disobey. "We" didn't "choose sin". Per your religions own interpretation of that story, only ADAM AND EVE did any of that. Per real-world logic and ethics, NONE OF US are morally responsible for any theoretical GOD'S choice to make US imperfect. Nor would we be morally responsible for what and "Adam and Eve" did; even if they pretend they were real. I have nothing to apologize to a "creator" for. And neither do you. Thus, we could not even possibly HAVE a moral debt to a "creator". Thus, all discussions about "who is going to pay on that debt" ... are like wondering which of us are going to pay for what Darth Vader did to the Emperor. It's a silly conversation. But to humor it, ... That's between them. It's not our business. ------------
@AgapeAhavah Sin is when we do things that hurt ourselves, others, and our relationship with God. " ------------ No verse says that. Like all Christians, you're just arbitrarily making up what counts as "sins". Although, even when it comes to the stuff in Bibles, that TOO is just random humans making stuff up about "sins". Meanwhile, ... NONE OF THAT is an ANSWER to what I asked you. It's all just intentional distractions away from the questions I asked you. I didn't ask you to craft (nor repeat) a story; nor apologetics about the story.

If you recall, the only two things I ever asked you to prove is: 1. That Christian fundamentalist theology is true. and 2. That literally all adult-age humans KNOW it's true; including a.) everyone who has heard about it (from other humans) and b.) everyone who has NOT heard about it (from other humans). Instead, you're ASSUMING it's true, and then rationalizing what our response should be after we assume it's true. --------------- @AgapeAhavah It’s like breaking God’s rules of love and kindness. -------------- Ok, 1. That's very extreme gaslighting. You and I both know that your "Bible" is mostly page-after-page-after-page of "God" commanding people to be violent psychopaths. The rest of it is him being the violent psychopath. Even the few random pieces where the writers said something that SOUNDS NICE ... was just said to self-promote, love-bomb and "groom" unsuspecting victims into their cult. Even the parts about "love" are sick, because they had a sick understanding of what love is. The only reason that's not super-obvious to most readers is that modern readers are reading through a modern SECULAR lens; which gives them the false impression that those ancient psychos were agreeing with modern secular values.
2. You're still avoiding the questions I asked. This ain't your church. I'm not here for a sermon. Stop with the 'Bait and Switch', already. Show me what you said you have, or else admit you don't have it. -------------------- @AgapeAhavah Just like the broken toy, we can’t fix the problem of sin by ourselves. But God can fix it. ------------------- FFS. I don't care if your dumb religion's dumb deity can FIX WHAT HE BROKE. It's not what I asked. -------------------- @AgapeAhavah

That’s why God sent His Son, Jesus. Jesus came to earth to take all the brokenness and sin and fix it by dying on the cross. It was His way of repairing the relationship between God and people. The Bible says: "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." (John 3:16) ------------ I am running out of patience. ------------ @AgapeAhavah Imagine... -------------- No. Really, no. I'm tired of being given a guided tour of your imagination. None of that is what I asked you about. Today,

... during a live stream, ... at "The Afro Atheist" channel, ... in chat, ... in your efforts to DISTRACT everyone in chat FROM the host's live panel discussion, ... you PREACHED. You turned that live-chat into your own private CHURCH ... which you were DISRESPECTFULLY forcing every NON-CONSENTING person there to attend; even though you could not make them listen. Seriously. How would your church like it if they were having a church service and some atheist showed up in the seats ... and started talking over the sermon, and handing out notes to everyone about how wrong they are ? You fundamentalist Christians are always go around acting like society's rules and ethics don't apply to you. And then you play the victim card whenever someone puts you in check. -Like pretending to be the victim after I warned you repeatedly. You kept on playing games in chat. I then put you in time-out. And when you came back from that 5-minute time out, you immediately resumed that same behavior. So then I banned you (exactly what I warned you would happen). So then what happened next? You came over to MY channel ... to vindicate your own ego, play the victim (again), and posture over me as the religious-narcissist that you are. -all while AVOIDING the only two things I ever asked you to provide. In "The Afro Atheist's" chat, YOU said everyone in the world knows that YOUR specific "God" exists. You claimed we all know your theology ABOUT GOD and "sin" is true. You claimed that all Non-Christians are knowingly "rejecting the true God". Automatically, that would apply to: * everyone in a different religion, * everyone who is in a wrong-doctrines-version (aka 'fake version') of Christianity, * everyone who is "lukewarm", * everyone who is a DEIST, * everyone who identifies as agnostic, and * every skeptical non-theist (in the whole wide world; ever since trees and sunsets existed). You said you could prove it. Instead, all you've done here is waste my time. And in doing so, you've SQUANDERED your only opportunity to provide factual, logical, and ethical evidence for the two claims (that you made) which I asked you to support. You never intended to. You always knew you were talking out of your self-righteous ass. You knew you could not support your claim that "everyone knows" that YOUR specific conceptualization of "God" and "sin" are real. Instead, all you did was ASSUME they are real, and then ASSUME everyone secretly knows it, and then rationalize what you FEEL like everyone's response WOULD BE ... "if only" we were as righteous as you. For anyone who has a Facebook account, this short video explains a little about WHY you can't reason logically; nor behave ethically. https://www.facebook.com/share/r/PSMNGJSHuD8hDqqe/ Anywho, as for the rest of the GUIDED TOUR of your imagination. I did read it. All of it is standard Christian-Religious-Fundamentalist rhetoric. I considered responding to each assertion and you made. But we both know you wouldn't fairly consider anything I say. Religious fundamentalist only OUTPUT, when it comes to outsiders. You refuse to meet challengers on equal and honest terms. This is what makes you Bad Faith Actors.