Christian-Fundamentalist Plants Flags, Avoids The Point, And Then Plays The Victim Card
Replying to yet another Christian-fundamentalist caught promoting their religion's grift in a public space, I offered this:
In reply,
she said this:
The abuse was already taking place. Christ is the way out!
Make sure you are in a good Bible believing church.
The church doesn't fix you God does.
My reply to that:
1. Your god doesn't fix anything nor anyone.
2. The point of the meme/quote is this:
The things (Christians) say to-and-about people
are abusive.
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In reply,
she has made further assertions.
[Please note:
I've decided to reply to each assertion separately, before moving on to the next]
In reply,
she said the following things:
1. "Not my God but the God of all."
--
Nope
#SorryNotSorry.
But I'm not gonna go ass-up for you, while you plant a Christian-colonizer flag in my ass and claim me for your god.
You can keep imagining it.
But I don't care to hear about it.
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2. We are all descendants of Noah's family.
--
Not according to any relevant field of science.
And not according to any qualified scholars of religious histories or world history.
And not according to sound reasoning.
Again, you're welcome to keep playing make-believe.
But you should really stop trying to get adult strangers to play.
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3.
"And actually (my) God does fix a lot"
--
Exactly as many things as Loki fixes.
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4. "(my) God gave a Jewish woman the ability to forgive her abuser and killers of her family in a concentration camp,"
--
Perhaps a belief in a conceptualized Super-Entity helped her with that.
Perhaps.
But that's the same as how different religions have the same sorts of "testimonies".
It's not good evidence for Christians getting anything about "God" correct.
It's not good evidence for a "God" getting personally involved.
In fact,
it was Christianity that caused the Holocaust in the first place.
Plus, why should anyone be morally impressed with the concept of an all-knowing and all-powerful being ... who steps right over countless innocent people who are in same-or-worse situations ...
to pick a lucky, random, daily miracle lotter winner?
Also, how much sense does it really make
for a such a Super-Being
to go out of their way to remain hidden and anonymous ... but then send you to insist we pretend he wasn't being hidden and anonymous?
If we're supposed to take those rumors and hypothetical-explanations as objectively undeniable "facts",
then:
Why doesn't "God" let everyone see a giant glowing hand reaching down through the clouds, as angels can be seen (and heard) playing trumpets and harps all around,
... as that God-hand directly can be seen lifting miracle-lottery winners out of dangerous situations?
You can't have it both ways.
Either:
a.)
"Him" is ok with providing everyone with objectively undeniable proof of his existence and involvements ...
or
b.)
"Him" isn't ok with that.
If he is fine with providing that, then where is his giant glowing hand and angelic chorus?
Whereas, if he is NOT ok with providing that level of evidence.
then:
Why would he send YOU to insist any given situation or rumor 'counts as that'?
Meanwhile,
what you're offering only:
rumored anecdotes
being presented on the foundation of the "Special Pleading" fallacy;
reinforced by the "Texas Sharpshooter" fallacy.
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5.
"(my) God gave men courage to face enemies and die trying to convert those nonbelievers to Christianity."
--
#NotTheFlexYouThinkItIs
Even the idea of a "Father" who is such a sociopathic asshole that even he WANTS his best kids to suffer and die needlessly, just to make him feel extra special. It's crazy.
A good "Father" wouldn't put his loved ones in harm's way like that.
He would speak for himself; so that:
a.) nobody gets hurt,
and so that
b.) people will finally have a good reason to "believe" he's up there and gives a shit,
and
c.) to make sure the exactly-correct message is being conveyed; in a form that leaves no room for misunderstanding.
Your religion has created a very irrational "God"
based on creative stories and rumors.
As a result, none of it's even remotely credible,
and all the world's "biggest God-fans" can't agree on what "the message" is.
This is why it would be a sign of wisdom
for a Super-Being to only ever speak for themselves.
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6.
"Many woman are mistreated by their families, starved and other tortures"
--
Only an evil or low-powered 'being' would allow that to happen.
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7.
" but they will not deny the God they come to know"
--
The same thing happens for some Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, etc..
Again, your arguments and evidence reveal a profound lack of awareness (or respect) regarding other people's lived experience,
Honestly, no reasonable person is going to be impressed by:
the hypocrisy of insisting "but only my religion's experiences should be given any (or the most) weight. Because I feel it in my heart that my religion is true".
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7.
" over their areas traditional beliefs trying to be forced on them."
--
I don't know what you were trying to say there.
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8.
"You think only Christians are abusive"
--
I don't think that at all.
It just simply wouldn't make any sense for me to point out the insanity of some other religion, ...
when the topic is:
Why some specific Christian should stop pushing Christianity in public spaces where nobody wants to hear about it.
On the very rare occasion that a Muslim needs to get checked,
they get checked.
And then they say "but why aren't you also going after Christians?".
#Whataboutism.
It's like religious fundamentalists can't even grasp the concept of staying on topic.
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9.
" why not call out the Muslims, Islam, North Koreans, or any other country or religion that only allows their beliefs and any other will be persecuted."
--
I answered that previously.
But let's be clear about this.
The only reason Christians aren't violently forcing all of their beliefs onto everyone else ... is because they no longer have enough collective power to do so.
In fact, a very large number of Christians in America ARE violently forcing some of their beliefs onto others, about certain religious issues; like LGBT rights and abortion rights.
And if those Christians ever manage to secure enough political power, even more civil rights would be lost.
---------------
10.
"What abusive thing did you suffer that you speak out against Christians?"
--
Actually, almost everything I ever say that is negative about religion ...
is specific to fundamentalists.
But let's not pretend there isn't good reason.
Many Christian fundamentalists push extremely consequential conspiracy theories about:
* global climate change,
* global pandemics,
* LGBT+ people,
* atheists,
* secularists,
* humanists,
* left-ists,
* Gaza/West-bank Palestinians,
* Jews,
* all rival religions,
* all political rivals,
* the sexually self-liberated,
and
* everyone else you demonize as "the world".
Meanwhile,
your political cult is also quite busy supporting efforts to collapse the socioeconomic safety-nets of entire large countries (including the USA);
in order to help your own wolves take over those societies.
And that's not even half of what they're up to.
-----
11.
"Proverbs 18:21
Death and life are in the power of the tongue,"
--
Exactly.
That's why Christian fundamentalists should stop saying the destructive things they say.
Leave people alone.
This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
Seriously.
Do you really not realize that your religion is the primary sociopolitical driver for how many LGBT youth commit suicide every year?
Do you really not realize that your religious culture ARE (and have always been) (almost exclusively) the people
who everyone else must fight against
to secure literally EVERY Civil Rights battle
in the USA (and many other countries),
since always?
Do you really not realize that your sociopolitical religion is the primary obstacle in every developed nations way, regarding efforts to clean up the world's air, water, and land?
Do you really not realize how much needless suffering and death
all of that causes every year?
Do you really not realize how much Religious Trauma Syndrome your religion causes for innocent victims across the world?
--------------------
12.
"And those who love it and indulge it will eat its fruit and bear the consequences of their words.
That includes what you type on Facebook."
--
Exactly as many things as Loki fixes.
--------------------------
4. "(my) God gave a Jewish woman the ability to forgive her abuser and killers of her family in a concentration camp,"
--
Perhaps a belief in a conceptualized Super-Entity helped her with that.
Perhaps.
But that's the same as how different religions have the same sorts of "testimonies".
It's not good evidence for Christians getting anything about "God" correct.
It's not good evidence for a "God" getting personally involved.
In fact,
it was Christianity that caused the Holocaust in the first place.
Plus, why should anyone be morally impressed with the concept of an all-knowing and all-powerful being ... who steps right over countless innocent people who are in same-or-worse situations ...
to pick a lucky, random, daily miracle lotter winner?
Also, how much sense does it really make
for a such a Super-Being
to go out of their way to remain hidden and anonymous ... but then send you to insist we pretend he wasn't being hidden and anonymous?
If we're supposed to take those rumors and hypothetical-explanations as objectively undeniable "facts",
then:
Why doesn't "God" let everyone see a giant glowing hand reaching down through the clouds, as angels can be seen (and heard) playing trumpets and harps all around,
... as that God-hand directly can be seen lifting miracle-lottery winners out of dangerous situations?
You can't have it both ways.
Either:
a.)
"Him" is ok with providing everyone with objectively undeniable proof of his existence and involvements ...
or
b.)
"Him" isn't ok with that.
If he is fine with providing that, then where is his giant glowing hand and angelic chorus?
Whereas, if he is NOT ok with providing that level of evidence.
then:
Why would he send YOU to insist any given situation or rumor 'counts as that'?
Meanwhile,
what you're offering only:
rumored anecdotes
being presented on the foundation of the "Special Pleading" fallacy;
reinforced by the "Texas Sharpshooter" fallacy.
------
5.
"(my) God gave men courage to face enemies and die trying to convert those nonbelievers to Christianity."
--
#NotTheFlexYouThinkItIs
Even the idea of a "Father" who is such a sociopathic asshole that even he WANTS his best kids to suffer and die needlessly, just to make him feel extra special. It's crazy.
A good "Father" wouldn't put his loved ones in harm's way like that.
He would speak for himself; so that:
a.) nobody gets hurt,
and so that
b.) people will finally have a good reason to "believe" he's up there and gives a shit,
and
c.) to make sure the exactly-correct message is being conveyed; in a form that leaves no room for misunderstanding.
Your religion has created a very irrational "God"
based on creative stories and rumors.
As a result, none of it's even remotely credible,
and all the world's "biggest God-fans" can't agree on what "the message" is.
This is why it would be a sign of wisdom
for a Super-Being to only ever speak for themselves.
--------------
6.
"Many woman are mistreated by their families, starved and other tortures"
--
Only an evil or low-powered 'being' would allow that to happen.
-------------------
7.
" but they will not deny the God they come to know"
--
The same thing happens for some Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Muslims, etc..
Again, your arguments and evidence reveal a profound lack of awareness (or respect) regarding other people's lived experience,
Honestly, no reasonable person is going to be impressed by:
the hypocrisy of insisting "but only my religion's experiences should be given any (or the most) weight. Because I feel it in my heart that my religion is true".
------------
7.
" over their areas traditional beliefs trying to be forced on them."
--
I don't know what you were trying to say there.
-----------
8.
"You think only Christians are abusive"
--
I don't think that at all.
It just simply wouldn't make any sense for me to point out the insanity of some other religion, ...
when the topic is:
Why some specific Christian should stop pushing Christianity in public spaces where nobody wants to hear about it.
On the very rare occasion that a Muslim needs to get checked,
they get checked.
And then they say "but why aren't you also going after Christians?".
#Whataboutism.
It's like religious fundamentalists can't even grasp the concept of staying on topic.
------------
9.
" why not call out the Muslims, Islam, North Koreans, or any other country or religion that only allows their beliefs and any other will be persecuted."
--
I answered that previously.
But let's be clear about this.
The only reason Christians aren't violently forcing all of their beliefs onto everyone else ... is because they no longer have enough collective power to do so.
In fact, a very large number of Christians in America ARE violently forcing some of their beliefs onto others, about certain religious issues; like LGBT rights and abortion rights.
And if those Christians ever manage to secure enough political power, even more civil rights would be lost.
---------------
10.
"What abusive thing did you suffer that you speak out against Christians?"
--
Actually, almost everything I ever say that is negative about religion ...
is specific to fundamentalists.
But let's not pretend there isn't good reason.
Many Christian fundamentalists push extremely consequential conspiracy theories about:
* global climate change,
* global pandemics,
* LGBT+ people,
* atheists,
* secularists,
* humanists,
* left-ists,
* Gaza/West-bank Palestinians,
* Jews,
* all rival religions,
* all political rivals,
* the sexually self-liberated,
and
* everyone else you demonize as "the world".
Meanwhile,
your political cult is also quite busy supporting efforts to collapse the socioeconomic safety-nets of entire large countries (including the USA);
in order to help your own wolves take over those societies.
And that's not even half of what they're up to.
-----
11.
"Proverbs 18:21
Death and life are in the power of the tongue,"
--
Exactly.
That's why Christian fundamentalists should stop saying the destructive things they say.
Leave people alone.
This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
Seriously.
Do you really not realize that your religion is the primary sociopolitical driver for how many LGBT youth commit suicide every year?
Do you really not realize that your religious culture ARE (and have always been) (almost exclusively) the people
who everyone else must fight against
to secure literally EVERY Civil Rights battle
in the USA (and many other countries),
since always?
Do you really not realize that your sociopolitical religion is the primary obstacle in every developed nations way, regarding efforts to clean up the world's air, water, and land?
Do you really not realize how much needless suffering and death
all of that causes every year?
Do you really not realize how much Religious Trauma Syndrome your religion causes for innocent victims across the world?
--------------------
12.
"And those who love it and indulge it will eat its fruit and bear the consequences of their words.
That includes what you type on Facebook."
All I'm doing here is:
Standing up to Flying Monkeys
who are actively working against humanity
on behalf of an imaginary super-Narcissist parent.
Keep playing the victim.
It changes noting.
Standing up to Flying Monkeys
who are actively working against humanity
on behalf of an imaginary super-Narcissist parent.
Keep playing the victim.
It changes noting.
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