Settling The Moral Controversy Of Anti- Covid-Precautions As A Personal Moral Right

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"Jason Greathouse

James Apperson except that laymen aren’t challenging the science, they are saying they don’t accept it, should people be forced to partake, just because someone says it’s the scientific consensus?

Weaponizing themselves? Doesn’t that take your participation as well? Do you have the right to say that everyone take a shot, so that you feel more protected? Do you still have that right, when the shot doesn’t stop one from catching or spreading the disease? The only claim being made any more about the covid shots are that they will protect you from severe illness, how does me being protected from severe illness, affect you at all? Besides let’s not forget the science says, we have a immune system that protects the vast majority of us as well, least we did, until it was getting in the way of record profits, with 0.0% liability."

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Jason,

 My original still stands.

Laymen are not qualified to correct scientists.

It's a whole other matter to discuss specific situations where ordinary citizens have moral choices to make for their own lives.

Of course,
 any Dunning-Kruger who has completely misunderstood the science and been swept into conspiracy-narratives has the legal right to make decisions which only affect themselves.

But let's not mistake that as consent.

Consent doesn't exist unless it's informed.
Misinformed doesn't count.
So those people are not freely consenting to their decisions to opt-out of health-wise science.
Their right to freely choose has been stolen by predators whom have tricked them.

There is no nobility seen
in any effort to enshrine those situations as anyone's sacred right.

But still.
I wouldn't interfere with that culling between predators and sheep,
because there's no effective mechanism in place to protect people from it.
And besides,
most sheep would violently defend their right to be controlled by the very ironic fear of being controlled.

Now, of course, you can say "but the vaccines carry a tiny % of risks to the health of the person. So doesn't that automatically make it only their business if they take or not?" 

However, that same point was true about EVERY vaccine for EVERY deadly disease, since humans first starting making vaccines.

If humanity had the same % of people refusing those vaccines, billions more people would have died. 

The reason your sick cult-ure of paranoid, narcissistic, authoritarians 
didn't object to vaccines for themselves and their kids for Measles, Mumps. Rubella, Chicken Pox, Small Pox, Cholera, etc ... 
 was because they didn't have media and political puppet masters politicizing it, nor willfully spreading massive misinformation for that purpose. 

Can't even send your kids to school without their equally dangerous other vaccinations? 
Cool. No problem. "I'll get them into their pediatrician for those shots, right after I stop by the nearest voting booth to vote for Reagan". 

But now? Same risks. Same benefits. Same scientific and medical authorities. Same advice. But with even more experience to support that advice. 

But they're trying to "control you  with fear" and the local store is out of tinfoil hats. 

And yet,
let's also not mistake that as their moral right, whenever the result poses a significant risk to the rights over others;
including the rights of others to live without extreme suffering, disability, and/or the death of themselves or their loved ones.

Now,
it has become a less serious issue.

Finally, enough people are vaxxed and boosted,
and most especially-vulnerable are able to stay home.

But it was a whole other matter, before we had the vaccines and the same anti-virtuous people didn't care who they hurt and killed.

It was even still a very serious matter when most people were not yet vaccinated.

It's less serious now.
But it's still is serious.
It's still a deadly game.

And your understanding of the science is utter bullshit.

Don't believe me? Pick up your phone right now. Call ANY Emergency Dept in ANY hospital and ask them.

They will ALL tell you the same thing.
They are at-or-over capacity for beds, because they have several local people going through slow, horrible, and probable deaths.

And that will ALL tell you that this could have been prevented by everyone who COULD follow International guidelines had been doing so. 

They'll tell you the same thing about their projections for a couple of months from now.

 If all the holdouts started following those guidelines, Hospital E.Rs. would finally be able to resume normal functions, and resume prior (much higher) survival rates for patients. 

Meanwhile, their Sleep Labs are still all closed, because they needed all those respiratory techs to take care of (and "attempt to save") the dying.

So there are many people in every city suffering and dying from sleep-related disorders because the closest sleep labs are backlogged from 6 months to a year, because of all the people who still refuse to get vaccinated.

Worse yet, some of those victims WERE/ARE vaccinated and TOOK all the precautions but got Covid and had the fatal symptoms because of how prevalent the latest variants are in every city,
...
because of how many people are still refusing to comply. 

And every day, thousands more ER Drs and nurses QUIT, in order to recover from the stress of being knee-deep in so much suffering and DEATH.
-While hundreds more commit suicide from the strain. 

The noncompliant are also causing the suffering and deaths of people who don't even HAVE COVID but couldn't get proper emergency care because of all the patients who DO have it.

But since 90% of humans are selfish and stupid, that many people are now mask-less, gathering indoors, etc..

Although, it's no longer perpetuating earlier/higher death-rates. Because of how many people are vaxxed and taking precautions.

Anti- Covid-vaxxers WILL each still kill some more random kids, parents, grandparents, etc..
 
And they'll still keep believing their tabloid media about the "The Great Covid hoax" and "the real facts". 

And historians WILL be cringing and laughing in disbelief about how misinformation and sociopathy became their own pandemics. 

But in the end,
every life matters.

Granted, it's still a lesser issue than it once was. Most of the people they will cause to suffer horribly and die ... have already suffered horribly and died.

But try to understand:

One man's rights MUST end where another's begins; and equally vice versa.
Otherwise, the system is not "Just", and goes against the established premise for even having a "society".

And yet, ...
I fully support each and every person's right to be duped, exploited and culled.

Who am I to stand in the way of their glorious tribal-lemming destiny?

There is a reason why conservative voters in American are dying at a much faster rate compared to the death-rates of voters on the left.

 https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2021/12/05/1059828993/data-vaccine-misinformation-trump-counties-covid-death-rate

 Your cult-ure is killing itself off with misinformation. 

However,
the right to do something which poses a direct threat to non-voluntary others .... cannot be defended on rational or ethical grounds.

PEACE is about the self.

VIRTUE is about others.

Such persons should REJOICE in their freedom to REFUSE to participate in global, expert consensus for precautions during a pandemic ...
as a hermit in a mountain cabin, tent, or cave.

No one has any moral obligations to any society they aren't a part of.

Go.
Be Free.
No one would even WANT to stop (whoever) from that.
Just make sure we never their faces again, until their "free choices" no longer threaten the lives of non-voluntary others.

These are all easy concepts to grasp.